Unban - Tampa

[Blackxelus]

Hi,

First of all, thanks for your servers, I played a lot on them and almost always had pleasure.

I've been banned on saturday (around 00:25) for baseraping on a tampa server (that's what was writtent at least) and I'd like to appeal this ban.

Why ?
I don't think it was really baseraping.

Here's your definition (copied from your own website) :
"- Baseraping? This means that if you spawn at one of those points and you die as soon as you spawn the person that killed you has baseraped and will be kicked and several offenses of the same nature will get them banned."

Well, now, here's what I did and Not did :

Not did :
1. No spawnkill
2. No baserape in order with your definition

Did :
1. Stayed in the base less than 5 seconds to take a vehicle and get out (as you know tampa is quite big). As far as I know, that's not baseraping, because if I wanted to destroy strategic items, I would have to do it (and your rules don't say anything about this for what I read).

2. Tried to get in the back of the vehicles (tank) to destroy them (those who were close to the base we were defending), but some have chased me and I had to hide close to the base and then run out (is that baseraping ?).

Why should you unban me ?
Because I'm not a bad player, when I'm in a team I play as a teammember (revive my owns ...). Because I like your servers, and because I don't think I did anything wrong.

I think one of your administrators saw me close to the base (or even in it to not get killed by the tank following me) and believed I was spawnkilling or whatever.

I hope to receive some news from you soon.
Best regards (and kills)

Blackxelus

[sababoi99]

hi m8,
please wait for the admin responsibal to reply i see you have read rules

[Blackxelus]

Thanks, hope he'll do it fast 8-)

[GUEST]

The reason for your ban was "HACK BASERAPE" Can u shed any light on this?

Can the admin concerned respond cheers. ;)

[daveraver22]

I banned a person on the 5th of Sept 08. That persons player name began with "Lord" and I can't remember the last part. Now I killed that person in the EU base after following him for a bit. I tried to kick that person for being in the EU base but for some reason when I tried to kick you, it wouldn't let me. I had to type in the whole name for the ban to happen. Care to let us know why? To my knowledge that is a bit of a name hack. If I am wrong ( an other admin please verify please) I will apologise and ask that you are unbanned. However we need your players name to do that.

[GUEST]

Lord Blackxelus was the name of the banned player.

[daveraver22]

Thats the man then.

[Blackxelus]

Hi again,

Well, my player name is Blackxelus and I use Lord like an clan name.
So the result is Lord Blackxelus.

I really don't understand why you couldn't kick me because that's a name I'm using since I had the general grade. I use no hack or anything like this.

About what I did in the base, I remember that before beeing kicked, I was chased by a tank. I didn't achieved to destroy it and I ran in the base to hide (because it destroyed my vehicle), on the roof (so the tank would had left my alone) and get a car on the otherside. Someone killed my while I was in the stairs.

Well, I didn't baserape and I didn't used any hack. I didn't get kicked very often from servers but It's the first time anyone tells me that he couldn't kick me.

I hope to play again on your servers, I guess this was just a misundestanding.

Have a good evening.

Lord Blackxelus

[GUEST]

Okey dokey m8, you've been unbanned by Daveraver.

Please don't kill in the uncap as this is a very risky area which admins

are observing atm... Have fun... cuotbf ;)

[Blackxelus]

Thanks a lot !

Hope to see you in the game !

[Kurim]

going to dig up this old thing and post demourl where black loved to return and return and return to our base and never seemed to want to leave.
http://www.rackage.com/downloads/servers/193.93.46.76/16567/auto_2009_01_23_22_50_00.bf2142demo

and here's a quote someone should have remembered after all this


Okey dokey m8, you've been unbanned by Daveraver.

Please don't kill in the uncap as this is a very risky area which admins

are observing atm... Have fun... cuotbf ;)

[Faceless]

good job mate,

i checked the BR file, he try to destroy the commander tools and he only kill one
guy in the ememy base, he dont took the chance to kill more.

its ok for me.

thx matey

[Blackxelus2]

:dancers:

Fine, that's good to hear.

I guess that maybe I've killed someone else but wasn't to baserape, just selfdefence. As I told other admins, I could have knifed Goblin (or something like that) 3 or 4 times as he wasn't moving at all but I didn't. As well, I could have shot other people but didn't :dance:

However, I fully understand Kurim. He wants players to follow the rules so everyone can enjoy fair playing in your servers. I suppose he's just bored to see people breaking the rules and believed I was one of them.

Of course, if I did anything wrong, I really apologize but I would like to know what so I don't repeat my mistake.

Now let's frag a little bit :cigar:

Thank you very much :santa5:

[Kurim]

:dancers:

Fine, that's good to hear.

I guess that maybe I've killed someone else but wasn't to baserape, just selfdefence. As I told other admins, I could have knifed Goblin (or something like that) 3 or 4 times as he wasn't moving at all but I didn't. As well, I could have shot other people but didn't :dance:

However, I fully understand Kurim. He wants players to follow the rules so everyone can enjoy fair playing in your servers. I suppose he's just bored to see people breaking the rules and believed I was one of them.

Of course, if I did anything wrong, I really apologize but I would like to know what so I don't repeat my mistake.

Now let's frag a little bit :cigar:

Thank you very much :santa5:

Before you there was two others the previous rounds who baseraped EU base and spent 99% of their gametime in there (Redfox30 and someone else) and when I then got a load of magnum bullets in my head in my own base seconds after new round for being afk (new install of bf2142 - fixing settings..), well that got to be the final straw for me so I tried to explain to you, both in game and here on the forums, things like "get in get out", don't camp in our base, do what you're supposed to do and then leave".

So yea for trying to explain i get dumbass comments, "do YOU know the rules??" and here on the forums I then read "no I didn't kill anyone" which you still say.. and some more bs, "I have your tag. i took it last round", so yea after i found you camping on one our roofs in base and kniving you u suddenly have my tag now eh?

I didn't have a clue that you got banned in the past, all I know was that after I change some setting in the menu I was stone dead in my own base, so if it wasn't for my bitching and explaining and consuming most of your gameplay time (in our base) I believe the outcome would have been different already, how do i know?
well unless you're all talk, but "i can stay there as long as i want and if anyone is in the way i kill them", guess what that's not allowed, only selfdefense is which was hardly what happened.

Then you wanted to add me as friend to see what servers im in so you could take it (for real) how old are you? and as if i would add you, hmm you know what, i think they call it friendlist because it's for friends and you're not one of mine.

Well, be glad it wasn't an admin that you killed and gave the same kind of responses and attitude towards but now when you're here on the forums you're suddenly the good guy, "oh im sorry, i didnt do this and i didnt do that."

Anyhow if this is the choice the admins have made then i'm going to accept it, I dont really agree to it but I guess thats my problem..

[Blackxelus2]

Ok, lets make it really really clear :good1:

1. Your DogTag
1.1 I said that I've taken it in a previous round or few minutes ago (sorry if that wasn't clear) in the battlefield
1.2 I was WRONG as I said after checked my online stats and didn't found your Dogtag
1.3 When you say : "I then read "no I didn't kill anyone"" ... I was speaking at the time I was in the base (I'll get back to that point)
1.4 I added you as a friend to get your Dogtag ... It's a challenge for me ! I WASN'T saying I'M GONNA F*** you ... don't take it bad, it was just a challenge, nothing else. All my apologies that you didn't understood things this way
1.5 I don't need to have you as a friend to know in which server you are playing at any time ... don't believe me ? have a look : http://fr.2142-stats.com/kurim+stats.html ... really useful isn't it ? Adding you as a friend was just a way to try to calm you down. And saying "I want your dogtag" was a challenge (again) ... anyway, once again sorry that you haven't understood things this way

2. Basaraping
2.1.1. You said : "Before you there was two others the previous rounds who baseraped EU base and spent 99% of their gametime in there"

2.1.2 I say (now and ever) : I fully understand you !!! I don't like these people ... I have been killed several times in my own base because of them ...
I'm not admin, so for me ... that's life ... From your point of view, I know it's boring ... you pass your time advising people and then kick them or ban them or report them :( ...

I can also say that that day, 3 players where automatically banned because they were using AIMBOTS !!! Their accounts should even be deleted from EA ... but no ... that's life ... but this has nothing to do with our story.

2.2.1
You say in your previous reply and in the forum : "don't camp in our base, do what you're supposed to do and then leave" (it's in the rules of the servers).

My reply :
You found me in the roof ... YES I WAS ... and now the question is why ? As I can't kill people EXCEPTING for self defence (I'll come back to that point just after) ... at that time, I went on the roof, so people who may be looking for me on the ground next to strategic item that I just destroyed would have left AND THEN, I could have destroyed next asset without killing anyone and then leave. Well, my plans didn't took you and your knife in account ...

About your kill ... YES, I shot you without you had injured me ! I said that in the forum, and apologized. You were in a car ... I had just entered in the base (without any vehicle to be discrete) and I saw you ... I believed you were about to shoot me. Here I broke a rule ... it was not self defence. And so many times, I apologized for that. But I didn't stood in the base to kill people as you pretend it and as Faceless confirmed it (I'm sure you were just bored to see baserapers and believed I was too). For that, people can BAN me ... but I guess there were people doing much more rule breaking at that time and as you said it.

Last point :
Your post "I didn't have a clue that you got banned in the past, all I know was that after I change some setting in the menu I was stone dead in my own base, so if it wasn't for my bitching and explaining and consuming most of your gameplay time (in our base) I believe the outcome would have been different already, how do i know? well unless you're all talk, but "i can stay there as long as i want and if anyone is in the way i kill them (for me it means ... if you try to shot me. I can prove it because I also told you later in game ... "I see people in front of me, but I don't shot them because I know the rules"), guess what that's not allowed (I know), only selfdefense is which was hardly what happened (YES you're right, in your case, It was a mistake from my part).


3. How old I'm I ?
25 Years old ... are you older ? You know, I don't even even care if you are younger ... I just want to play ... that's all

How intelligent I'm I ? Well ...
1. I got a Bachelor degree in economics
2. I'm currently passing my MBA in economics too
3. Obtaining the CAIA (Chartered Alternative Investment Analyst) certification
4. Preparing to the PMI (Project Management Institute) certification
5. All degrees obtained in Geneva ... not in Africa ... so now you know where I live lol ... come and get my Dogtag :orc: !

Why telling you that ? Because ...
1. ... you seem to believe that I'm an idiot ... a noob ... or maybe the most stupid person you met in your life ... at least, when you speak with me, that's the feeling I got ... you just didn't stopped to say "You're not listenting to me ..." but did you really heard what I said ? (that's a question, not an insult) because I guess I shown proofs of my knowledge of the server rules at that time (maybe did you missed some of my messages).

2. ... you know now that I'm fully able to understand the couple of rules established in the timeless servers.
3. ... I want you to understand that this game is REALLY JUST an entertainment for me, not my main activity by far. I want FUN ... NO PROBLEMS ... and if I did something wrong ... well I just apologize and keep playing fair.

Don't think I'm pretending that I'm smarter than you or that I want to impress you. You know, I think that we never know other people and starting from this point, I always respect people's opinion, accept that I may be wrong on a particular point, accept that other people can be better than me (from every point of view) and appreciate people who admit too that he may have been wrong too ... I know you'll never apologize or admit that in this case, something may not be as you believe it is or that you missed something that took everything wrong .... but that's life and I hope to meet you again ingame and have fun that's all.

After that LOOOOOOOOnnnNNNNNG reply, I hope to not have anymore probs with anything related to that case and I hope the ones who may have read this have a beer next to them :pint: to forget about that boring text.

Now ... I'm 10'000% sorry but I can't make it more clear than that. Nothing in this message has for objective to hurt your sensitivity or make you appear like an as***** or whatever in case you may have any doubt. Just take it easy, as I said, I recognised a rule breaking but I can't accept all your "charges" against me (like I was killing everyone).

P.S.
I'm not trying to be the "good guy", I just want the things to be clear with you (Kurim), that's all ... if admins want to ban me ... I'm not the guy that will change their minds ... you're a VIP Member ... I'm a registered member that nobody ever heard about.

Good bye

[GZap]

this is like a court case.

detailed evidence.

[Blackxelus2]

lol, must be my job and study who makes me defend every point ... it's crazy how a job can affect people ...

now .... lets dance :dancers:

[niii]

please guys less talking and more loving, let's see you both hug each other :)

[kegNeggs]

you live in geneva? :)

have to say tho zapper, put together well, that case is :good2:

[Blackxelus2]

Yep, that's where I'm living ;)

Would be fun to meet one more player of BF 2142 ;)

[Kurim]

This is madness... no, this is TIMELESS.

what i tried to get trough to your skull was you werent allowed to kill me at that point, ok? comprende? Not ---- allowed ---- to, then you replied with anyone standing in your way dies, this was not a single word of self defense, and i don't see in the book about this but what part of ''blowing up commander assets'' includes stealing a tank and shooting down a gunship inside PAC base? and this guy wasn't shooting at you, he wasnt even looking at you for crist sake.

but you know what, i give up, victory is your's for the taking, I got some other players to report.

[Blackxelus2]

Hi,

Madness or timeless ... I don't even know why I'm still talking about that but ...

1. I didn't killed the gunship from inside of the base, but from outside (check the video if you can and/or can)
2. Once again ... read my previous post ... just before AND after where I say : (for me it means : if you try to shot me. I can prove it because I also told you later in game ... "I see people in front of me, but I don't shot them because I know the rules")

As you said ... I think you're not listening to me :dance:

Go and give hell to the baserapers because today I died so many time because of theses dumbasses ... but don't :ban: the guy's destroying assets :w79:!

Only those who are not recon and killing people :trigg: !

And now, this discussion is closed for spam evidences !!!

If you want to continue, just please ban me, it's beeing to hard to defend myself loool

[Kurim]

sigh....you're still not allowed to fire into red zones/hotspots, MAIN BASES.

now it's rather obvious you don't and STILL DON'T understand the rules and if it was up to me you would have been long gone already.

why? do i hate you? no, but case you didn't know people get banned alot more for alot less on servers like gib, for instance you can fire into a base, throw a nade or whatever and without actually killing someone get banned since this is a offense punishable with perm ban.

Btw these rules works great, some doesn't always follow them but those who do has a great time tho apparently and unfortunately it seems like people on tampa doesn't have to apply to the same rules.

[Blackxelus2]

The problem you see is that ... in the uncap/mainbase/hotspot (call it the way you prefer... I'm allowed to fire IF

1 . If I'm a recon
AND
2. ONLY in case of self defence BUT I can't OVERUSE that option ...

Check this out, it comes from : http://www.timelessgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4082

"However, spec ops are allowed to destroy enemy command features e.g. Artillery, Command Hut, Radar etc. once you have destroyed your targets you must leave asap and not hang around to kill anyone (read my addition) already in the uncap or that spawns there. Also do not engage in any return fire if fired upon! It´s ok to fight your way out - but do not overuse that option."

Other admins said it, you said it (remember your own post where you say "guess what that's not allowed, only selfdefense") ... and now ... you're saying I can't ? what is the problem ?
Admins don't know the rules ? or do you just want me to be the idiot of the month (I already feel like ... I suppose that never in the timeless history someone waste so much time about ... nothing ...) ?

In addition, this means that if I had to stay undercover (hidden) for let's say 5 minutes because I can't leave at the moment because somebody is in front of me and I can't obviously leave without him trying to shoot me ... I can(but I should find a way to leave asap), because I'm not killing (almost equal to not baseraping) .... I'm trying to leave without any incident.

Faceless checked the BR File (I don't even know what this is) and said :
"checked the BR file, he try to destroy the commander tools and he only kill one
guy in the ememy base, he dont took the chance to kill more."

Is that not clear enough ? Do I have to remember you that Faceless made the post about the server rules ? He would have banned me if I was wrong as HE checked if I did something wrong (or at least said : ... men ... you're a bada** !).

I got two new rules for me :
1. Never shot Kurim, he doesn't like that ! :dance: lol
2. Always record the whole round if Kurim is in the game to have lively evidences of my honesty (believe me, I'll do it).

Now, I only hope to see you in the battlefield (as you said you play only in gunship) because even if I'm not a friend of you and you a friend of mine, I like to play with any player ... even those people called "noobs" ... we all have been noobs once in our lives, even me ... don't you ?

[XxXButcher]

Well... hmh... pretty long now :faint:

You can enter the base as a recon to destroy the commander assets.
But recon is the only class of soldier, that is allowed in the base and destroying the commander assets is the only thing you are allowed to do there.

If you want to do anything else, even hiding from a tank it is not allowed.

You are not allowed to enter the base if you are no recon.
You are not allowed to shoot the people in the base, even if they shoot at you.
As I allways say: Run, hide or die, but don't shoot.
This means your "selfdefense" is not allowed.

"When you kill any enemy in this area expect to be banned without warning for this."

The reason for this is easy:
It is your own guilt if you are so close to the base or even in the base, so that the enemy can see you. If you are not allowed to shoot back it's a kind of a prevententive measure, so that nobody goes even near the base.

[Blackxelus2]

Yep Butcher, I fully understand that.

It's just that after having spoken with 3 admins, everyone of them agreed that I could shoot only and only if I was a recon AND for selfdefence while leaving.

However, I appreciate the way you try to tell me that and as I only want to have fun there, that's not a problem to not kill anyone in that area. As I said since the beginning of this thread, I just want to be clear with the rules. It seems that not everyone agree with some details ... then, I'll just keep a low profile ...

while trying to get the dogtag of someone :lol:

mouahahahahha

See you :good1:

[Kurim]

while trying to get the dogtag of someone :lol:

keep on trying :good1:

since you're fully aware of the rules there's no way to blame on ignorance, but if you're still gonna run into uncap and try nabbing my tag then I hope you're prepared for the consequences ;)

[GUEST]

:hearts::love::hearts:

[Kurim]

:hearts:...

no, this is :hearts:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2945/lbxpwndon8.jpg
:rofl:

[XxXButcher]

nice one! But it's a bit big xD, you should have added it as an attachement, because it allmost screwed up my broadband :lol:

[GUEST]

Looks like Blackxelus2/Blackxelus was possibly base raping here??

[kegNeggs]

ah butcher and special imaviprules again


If you want to do anything else, even hiding from a tank it is not allowed.
B.S! Smith!
down, rex!

isnt that just against the whole idea if hit n run, to stay undetected and hide from tanks and whatnot? dont see any rule violation there


Also do not engage in
any return fire if fired upon! It´s ok to fight your way out - but do not overuse that option. When detected in base - get out of there asap !

altho the rules might be ambiguous on this point, i dont see anything about hiding from a tank... and self defense is allowed, if u do it just for that..

gosh

lets finish this war soon shall we?

[XxXButcher]

:offtopic:
Well... I didn't find "imaviprules" in my dictionary, but google wanted to tell me it has something to do with hip hop.
:offtopic:
Most admins say entering the base without the purpose of destroying the commander assets is the beginning of baserape, because entering the base for a bit sightseeing isn't normal.

[Deathtaker27]

I agree

but I think the most obious ones are where they are not special forces


Most admins say entering the base without the purpose of destroying the commander assets is the beginning of baserape, because entering the base for a bit sightseeing isn't normal.

[Bert]

I hope you wernt in the base when you got that kurim.................

[sababoi99]

bert look at his glove its the standard PAC issue winter gear 14.95 on Ebay
also if you look at the state of the art GPS map kurim is inside PAC base (base is usually 155,00,00 euro + VAT also available on Ebay ;)

[GUEST]

Well IMO... If there is an enemy in ur base... er... kill him.

But this aint no indication of base rape... well this is a very judgmental situation of course....

If this guy kills a few with no reason then base rape is what i'd shout.

Its very judgemental but mostly i would say if there is an enemy in ur base its likely for the wrong reasons, esp if he's stationary (not hiding as in looking for opportunity to take commanders assets.)

Very rare nowadays that someone is in ur base to take assets... lets face it

its usually unexperienced players and genuine base rapers lookin for easy points

strolling around an unfriendly base eh?

It looks like potential base rape in the pic above but as i'd got his tags.. i'd be tempted to just kick lolz.

Its a very hard life sometimes for us admin gamers lolz and we all appreciate what you do. >> I do, so keep it up fellaz. :good2:

[Blackxelus2]

I was so stupid to write in the team channel at that time ...
But anyway, there is no excuses, you killed me and got my tag.

Don't worry about the way I'll get your's. I now you do not only play in timelss severs :dance:

The day I'll join you ... I hope you'll not be waiting for the gunship mouahahahahha :pint:

See you and don't worry about seeing me breaking rules in your server or any other one :good1: