View Full Version : Ban on sight plz: :-) TonyRay ...
Arctic_Wolf
28-07-2008, 19:56
Hey guys,
I caught a player today using some sort of hack or glitch I hadn't come across before, where they were capable of matching the vehicle speeds of a Jeep on "full speed boost", only at the time, they were in a damn APC lol!!
Whilst this may have looked very impressive, it was nevertheless a cheat, hack, or glitch (I suspect derived from and very similar in nature to the Pod Surfing hack)!
Players name: :-) TonyRay
Please ban on sight from ALL Timeless servers as a known cheat!
Many thanks,
Wolf :)!!
I seen it but i could never find proof. APC and gunships move waaaay fast.
It could be a glitch tho but i strongly believe there is a hack which speeds up
vehicals.... I even got in the APC which was zoomin around the map.
Prob 2-3 times faster than it should but how do you proof this?
I remember a guy once.. evansmp, he was sure pretty with the medic kit
so i banned him for using a hack, to this day i would swear he was cheatin
without a doubt but i could not prove this, he was unbanned with an apology.
I have never seen anyone play like this since. As regards to the fast vehicals...
I think there is a hack goin on, i watched this chap in gunship on the minimap
and compared to other gunships, he was shiftin, prior to this i was lucky enough
to spawn on his APC, mad speed, i thought i was seeing things.
So what do we do about this kind of thing? Ban on suspect and apologise if he
complains in forum or leave em alone without proof?
i've seen it a few times on tampa more than six months ago... apc's rushing around the map.
wouldn't it be easy to prove it is a hack from the battle recorder file?
i was on suez the other day, and overtook a APC when in a jeep on full boost over smooth ground. about 5-10 seconds later the same APC smashed into me, nearly flipping me over.
i thought this was a bit wierd at the time, so now i know.
althalus401
29-07-2008, 01:52
Unlikely to be a glitch, the pod surf only works because you can get the height, more likely to be a hack connected with the boost function
Arctic_Wolf
29-07-2008, 15:37
I hear ya Hornet,
in this case though I had definitive proof, by following the player in question and obtaining his name!
I have details of incident if anyone wants to check Battlecorder too!! Fortunately the idiot was even kind enough to turn back at me and ram me in my APC, which nearly flipped me over too!! His APC came at me like a speeding bullet!! So he was clearly manipulating some sort of additional speed boost manually and as required!
Certainly one we'll need to look into more and gather more intel ultimately, so we fully know the score before we start to see even more of it!!
P.S. Hornet, to get a Gunship to fly stupid fast so it appears like a guided missile on the map lol, fly it upside down. For some reason when you get one on their backs (especially the Doragon), they take off like a frikkin rocket lol!!
You might recall I raised this issue some months ago now, having witnessed Fehn having the ability to fly Gunships at incredible speeds. The best I could recreate it and after witnessing how they did it, attempt to fly them inverted, not easy either granted!! Requires a lot of room for forward range of mouse movement hehehe ;)!!
so how do you actually prove someones using a glitch/hack like an aimbot????
Hi,
im the TonyRay with the highspeed APC.
Its not a Cheat or hack. Nobody can hacks the speed or damage from vehicle or soldiers in Bf because this things are controled by server. You must hack the masterserver for manipulate this things.
I only change any setting in game. i hope you understand, that i not post the settings here. max 10people in the world can drive very fast with the apc. They have the settings from me. Also, you need a special mouse from logitech for use the settings.
I was long time a hacker on helios side. We fight against the bad scan methods from punkbuster. This time i dont cheat or glitch, the once thing i use is my high speed apc or the very very fast buggy (faster than rocked from heli).
I use it for have fun. dont for make points or other thing.
You can belive me. Thats not a cheat or hack. Its works on BF2 and Bf2142 on all Maps.
Sorry for trouble
f1rest@rter
05-08-2008, 11:51
he´s telling the truth there.
got this info from lysergzwerg who once told me.
it´s just about the vehicle settings. no hack or something else.
if that´s a fair method and if it´s allowed or forbidden on timeless the administrators have to decide that.
althalus401
05-08-2008, 12:01
That is a glitch/hack whatever you use it for and you have really convicted yourself. Using settings to do unnatual things is glitching and there are many other examples of using unintended "features" in both BF2 and BF2142. Whether this deserves a ban is a difficult question. If timeless banned all such glitches then I would say yes but they don't. On balance I find this no worse than the jumping/RDX throwing that is so popular on the server. If you allow one glitch you really can't ban for someone who uses a another one and flying a gunship upside down is very skillful but still glitching. Timeless, despite the published rules, does allow glitching so a ban in your case may be difficult to justify especially as it does not earn the player a large number of points.
What I have written above implies no critisism of Timeless policies or admins. It is an explanation of the facts of game programming. I fully accept that Timesless has the right to set it's own rules and allow glitching if it so desires and I have no argument with the current policy. I would prefer that the "NO glitching" rule was removed and that the specific glitches which are banned are published so everyone knows exactly where they stand.
EA tried very hard to remove this glitch, see the official forums, for both BF2 and BF2142 but it would have increased the complexity of the programming too much and slowed it down.
how to call jumping /rdx throwing a glitch i don´t see. you just have to do it faster than the enemy. and Lots of people are fast enough to do it without a cheat m8
This is a glitch then, like pod surfing, using this is an unfair advantage
over other players, its against EA ROC etc too. Anyone can say they do this
for fun but you can race around killing peeps accidently, so this would spoil
other peoples stats etc. Totally unfair, i'm against this. Like i said, i've seen this
b4 and they really do shift. I'd still thank TonyRay for enlightening us in any case.
His honesty is appreciated.
Someone please explain to me how RDX use is a glitch... ?
althalus401
05-08-2008, 12:23
Sorry shoud have made it clear. The use of RDX is not a glitch. The running jumping throwing manouvre is.
Bunny jumping is glitching, it was not designed to be used as it is as vertical movement distorts the hitbox. It uses the fact that vertical movement, unlike horizontal movement is not dealt with in the same way. In addition RDX is not meant to be thrown any distance, try standing still and throwing it, can't be done. Try running and throwing it, can be done but it does not travel far, just drops. By jumping when runing an unitended feature of the game programme is used and the RDX travels a considerable distance, not unlike the pod surf glitch in many ways. Use of unintended programming features is glitching.
As I have previously said I have no real problem with it but as a matter of fact, running/jumping/rdx tossing is glitching.
I am happy for Timeless to allow such glitches if they so desire as long as they accept they are glitches.
The reason why the RDX travels further is due to the physics programming of the game engine.
Same as when u jump to throw a grenade or an ammo box or first aid hub.
Its built into the game. Nobody is using a glitch here.
We do not allow glitching here at Timeless Althalus401 as you are implying.
You sound to me like one of these we get come and go in our servers who
simply cant change our rules here, yet want to play on our quality servers.
Frustrating eh?
Many enjoy using RDX and are welcome to use it.
We do not welcome glitchers.
I think its not a bug, its a feature because the motorsound of apc becomes more highly the faster the apc drives.
althalus401
05-08-2008, 16:03
The reason why the RDX travels further is due to the physics programming of the game engine.
Same as when u jump to throw a grenade or an ammo box or first aid hub.
Its built into the game. Nobody is using a glitch here.
We do not allow glitching here at Timeless Althalus401 as you are implying.
You sound to me like one of these we get come and go in our servers who
simply cant change our rules here, yet want to play on our quality servers.
Frustrating eh?
Many enjoy using RDX and are welcome to use it.
We do not welcome glitchers.
To cover your points in order:
The ability to chuck objects not designed to be thrown has nothing to do with physics in a game such as BF2142. It has everything to do with mathematics and equally importantly manipulation of the input buffer. Pod surfing, speedy vehicles and the chucking of objects by jumping all rely on this manipulation.
You do allow some glitching, EA/DICE agree that all the above are glitching. This is not a critisism, just a statement of fact.
No I don't want a change of rules, I would suggest that your rules, all of them were enforced. I repeat I am NOT suggesting a change in the rules, you have a rule of NO Glitching. I have always said that I can live with the status quo, I do think that perhaps a bit more honesty by saying No glitching except.......... would not come amiss.
I am aware that many enjoy the RDX chucking glitch, yes I can do it, probably better than most as I have the programming skills, I don't because I view it as cheating but I do NOT accuse those who do it of cheating. I tolerate it as something that is allowed on the server. My individual sense of fair play says that I should not use it.
In the respect of this one aspect you do welcome glitchers, but that is your right and I have no critisism of that, merely an observation of fact.
I will explain why this is in another thread, it is going to be difficult to do without showing others how do all of the things we don't want such as pod surfing and high vehicle speeds. They all depend on the same mathematical algorithim and the way in which the input buffer is manipulated to manipulate timing on the server. They are basically all the same glitch.
I will also try to explain how jumping manipulates the hit boxes assosiated with soldiers.
The first thing a "C" programmer is taught is manipulation of the input (keyboard) buffer, "Hello World". A very powerfull tool when implimented in more complex situations.
Forums are for discussion and while you may not agree with my argument that is no reason to attack my integrity. Personal attacks often reveal the lack of a logical argument. If you can explain the reason why RDX chucking is not glitching using mathematical reasoning I will be happy to examine this. Just because many do it and like it is not really an argument for saying it is not glitching. It may be a cogent argument for allowing it on the server and if this is the case then I do accept that.
Frustrating i know m8 but we allow RDX use in any way peeps would like to.
We're more concerned with malice on our server, not like the majority of regular players who
are apparently enjoying playing without cheating and for nearly 2 years of
Timeless/BF2142, this is how its been, with additions to obvious malicious cheating
and glitching rules along the way. WE don't see RDX use as malicious cheating
or stat padding etc so an adjustment to the current rules aren't needed.
We play fair and we're honest, sorry for my bluntness, was not meant to be an
attack on your personal integrity. We hear it all the time..
The majority of RDX complaints come from frustrated individuals who enjoy our
Timeless servers for whatever reason. I can give you many regulars who enjoy
using the RDX and i can give you a handful who are against it, whether it is
politically correct to lable it glitching or not, we don't here.
There is a fine line between glitching and cheating, thats obvious.
Let the majority of players decide the rules, as they always have. ;)
As regards to faster vehicals on the BF, this is something a majority of fair players
would disagree to and would refer this to the glitching/cheating pile i'm sure.
althalus401
05-08-2008, 16:55
Fair enough, an honest reply. I will still try to explain how the podsurfing/increased speed/run-jump-chuck thing works without giving away the key to doing it, purley as an informative exercise. I will try and explain some of the other anomalies as well.
As an aside, the overuse of these "features" probably also explains the frequent crashing of the servers. What is known as a heap/stack clash, sloppy programming by DICE based on inaccurate assumptions.
I thought we were going down the whole RDX argument again.
Thank **** for that.
I thought we were going down the whole RDX argument again.
Thank **** for that.
Not getting sensitive about it are you zapathy?