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Dear Admins,
Bf3 is a great game, and what Timeless gaming is doing is also great. I mean, you provide us a great quantity of servers letting us even choose which style of game/map we love more. Most of the time that's exactly what's is happening, we enjoy better the game thanks to you.
BUT
I think, and that's just my opinion (no flame) you should teach better the game mechanics to your ingame admins.
XxXButcher if you read this message, i'm talking about you, just please understand that killing in the exact middle of the map (metro 64 on B) is not spawnkilling and you're putting in a bad shape all of your friends working hard everyday.
I also understand that you're an admin so it's all up to you if you want to ban/kick just because you enjoy doing it.
Peace! :yes1:
XxXButcher
27-01-2012, 20:12
Well thx for the compliments,
BUT
please don't camp behind the spawnpoints to farm easy kills with a hole squad instead of taking the flag / attacking enemies, that are an actual harm for you.
It can't be, that you split up your squad over the spawnareas at B on metro just to spawnrape fresh spawned players.
If you kill people right after spawning by accident / by chance, we won't mind.
But at that moment you seemed to be abusing the game mechanics, which we know very well, by camping the spawnareas instead of fighting.
Welcome to Timeless Gaming btw. :good2:
I'm with Butcher.
It's pretty annoying when you get spawnkilled in Metro (and ofc. all other maps) again and again and again and again.
Soooo:genius::agree::ditto::ban1::banthem::knight: :bf3::tg::)
Everyone knows that the spawn points in bf3 are ****.
I personally would never kick anyone for killing a spawning player.. Blame Dice for doing a terrible job at placing the spawnpoints and especially in Metro, where you spawn in those chairs and have to jump to get out of your spawnpoint under B.
If you get killed as you spawn, its a pain in the ass, but next time you spawn it wont be on the same spot, so go around and get your revenge.
And even though the spawnpoints in BF3 are as shitty as they get, there still are a handful of them, so for one player to be able to spawn rape one spawn point over and over again, I find that hard to believe and I think its more that teams incompetence to deal with the problem, thats the issue..
Never the less, Spawnrape is very annoying and this might sound harsh, but I resemble it to abortion.. You give that player no chance to fend for himself.
:welcome3: to timeless m8 and glad you enjoy our servers ( we do our best :) )
As for the point you made, we have to think of the majority of the players that come to us for a fair game.
As butcher has said the odd spawn kill we can expect and allow as this happens in the event of taking the flag BUT if we see players camping the flag and not trying to take said flag ( in this case "B") then we take a differnt view. If this was allowed to continue the we would very quickly have empty servers witch we all agree is no good or fun. If i had been the admin online at the time and seen this i would have kicked players to for the good of the server. please bear this in mind when you are playing on any of the timeless servers.
enjoy your time here at timeless and on the servers
:raven:
Oh and on another note... How many of the noobtubers actually go for a flags, I see how players play on metro in contrary to every other map in BF3, 90% of the players just stick around for stairway kills ?
That map is waaay too small for 64 players and is designed for 24 players max.
No offence to Metro 64 fans, but Metro 64 is basically just statspadding.. I am spawnraped and revived by noobtube all the time when I play there.
My 5 krones
At this point i think we just have a different point of view about game mechanics. No problem on this, i understand what you mean.
I'll just make a short resume of how that map works for me.
Since 90% of people playing Metro 64 wants just to farm easy kills&points and you can't get any collabaration from them, what's the best way to win a game there ?
At my eyes taking the flag A (from USA side) is worthless if the enemy got B, since no one from your side will respawn on the new flag and help you.
The only way is passing through the enemy lines and then come back killing everything is moving around B so that other people will move forward upstairs to get new m320 kills.
Killing people just spawned is not the purpose but a consequence.
EpicRageGuy
27-01-2012, 21:34
I must agree with Kharak. The spawnpoints in BF3 are the worst I've ever seen. Personally, what would you do, if you are behind enemy lines, adrenaline rushing through your veins and suddenly an enemy soldier appears in front of you. Would you wait till he sees you and compromise your cover? I hardly think so, if you're stressed, you act quickly and I bet 99% of people would kill that guy immediately.
What I'm trying to say here is that you shouldn't punish a guy for killing you right away, it's DICE problem. I'd wait if he does it on purpose and camp at one exact spawnpoint.
Hello Patunfo and welcome to timeless
you see never been our intention to kick player other then we don't want to spoil the game yes i personal against kicking players at all time other then Cheeting or Glitching
But admin hear is trying to help not to abuse power :)
Malkryst
28-01-2012, 00:04
This might be controversial, but I honestly don't see why people rage so much about spawnkilling - yes it's annoying, but if you spawn at a cap point (or on a squadmate or on their beacon) then you know it's risky - if you want to spawn safely then you have your own deployment area to do it in - if you spawn anywhere else you must accept the risk.
Tbh I get more annoyed when I'm killed by players respawning behind me than when I'm the one being spawnkilled. It's so unfair when a squad is uncapping a flag only to have enemies spawning behind them in areas they've already cleared (in many cases spawning behind them in a room they have covered all the entrances to).
There's the ludicrous situation I experience so often where 2-3 attackers are clearing an area so they can uncap then cap the flag, only to have the defenders they have just killed respawning there before the flag goes neutral, usually at a spawn point right behind them - it forces you to game the system and have the attackers watching the static spawn points around that flag (waiting for dead defenders to respawn) instead of facing outwards to threats coming from other flags. In my experience that's usually when most of the moaning about spawnrape happens, when flag defenders who just got owned respawn at the same flag and get instantly owned again. But it's not like the attackers had many options, because letting the respawning defenders live to shoot back would be ludicrous as the flag attackers are usually still injured from killing those defenders the first time round.
Baserape (i.e. killing players inside their uncap) is wrong - I think most of us at Timeless are on the same page there - but spawnrape is just a fact of gameplay, in my opinion. It's not a fact I like, but I don't see how a "no spawnraping" rule could be enforced without totally wrecking gameplay.
Honestly I wish players weren't allowed to respawn at a flag if an enemy was within 50m or 100m of it (although you'd still get snipers killing respawning players, like you get now), and especially not if the flag is being uncapped - and I think if you die near a flag you should probably be forced to respawn at a different flag - but unless DICE change things I think spawnrape is just a fact of life.
If you don't want to be spawnraped there's always a safer in-game alternative - spawn at your uncap.
radical red
28-01-2012, 03:13
I am totally with Kharak on this one. Flag spawns in BF3 are absolutely retarded. On some maps you actually spawn withing the capping area. There is no option but to watch the static spawn points to protect yourself.
On Metro, if a team has A anc C, especially the US, then anyone spawning at B has to acknowledge the potential danger of spawning at B.
IMHO, in BF3, spawn killing should not be punished unless its in base.
Malkryst
28-01-2012, 03:54
I am totally with Kharak on this one. Flag spawns in BF3 are absolutely retarded. On some maps you actually spawn withing the capping area. There is no option but to watch the static spawn points to protect yourself.
On Metro, if a team has A anc C, especially the US, then anyone spawning at B has to acknowledge the potential danger of spawning at B.
IMHO, in BF3, spawn killing should not be punished unless its in base.
I agree completely.